Is the hummingbird pistol handy

Bad news for PSM owners: this pistol is now banned!

  • MFF handguns expert

    Hello,

    Yesterday at the monthly collectors' meeting there were new, amazing insights into the new weapons law. Someone who has to do with it professionally pointed out that the Russian PSM pistol in caliber 5.45 x 18 with the new WaffG is considered a prohibited weapon. This news caused a stir, as at least one PSM owner was present. The background is supposed to be the bullets of this little patron under certain circumstances Protective vests can penetrate. Let's leave that uncommented….

    Today I read myself smartly. And indeed:

    Appendix 2, Section 1, No. 1.2.5 provides:


    Part 1:
    Prohibited weapons
    Handling the following weapons and ammunition is prohibited: (...)
    1.2.5 multi-shot handguns whose year of manufacture was after 1.
    January 1970 is for center fire ammunition in calibers below
    6.3 mm, if the projectile drive is not exclusive
    takes place by the primer

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    That applies to the PSM. Allegedly one did not want to explicitly mention the PSM in the law - but the regulation is tailored precisely to this - or are there other handgun center fire cartridges in caliber less than 6.3 mm that were built AFTER 1970? Bad luck for everyone who wants to revive the hummingbird, but especially for the PSM owners.

    The ban applies IMMEDIATELY !!!! There are no transitional arrangements, as I initially assumed. Section 58 (11) contains a transitional provision:

    (11) Did someone on April 1st, 2008 have a not yet according to Annex 2 Section 1 No.
    1.2.1.2 possessed a weapon prohibited by this law, this prohibition shall apply
    not effective if he renders this weapon unusable by October 1st, 2008,
    leaves an authorized person or the competent authority or a
    Surrenders to the police station or an application in accordance with Section 40 (4) of this
    Law provides. Article 46, Paragraph 3, Clause 2 and Paragraph 5 applies accordingly
    Application.

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    However, this only applies to the weapons listed in 1.2.1.2 (forearm rifles).

    The only possibility for PSM owners: Application to the BKA according to § 40 (4):

    (4) On application, the Federal Criminal Police Office can revoke the prohibitions in Annex 2
    Section 1 allow exceptions in general or for individual cases if the
    Interests of the applicant due to special circumstances the public
    Interest in enforcing the ban prevail. This can in particular
    are accepted if the information in Appendix 2, Section 1
    designated weapons or ammunition to be brought out of the
    Scope of this law, for scientific or
    Research purposes or to expand a culturally and historically significant
    Collection are intended and pose a significant risk to the public
    Security is not to be feared.

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    greeting

    sour fan

  • Unfortunately, that affects me too - and multiple times

    and the BKA explained to me today that there is a requirement of the Federal Ministry of the Interior not to issue any special permits ....

    you will then have to fall back on your legal protection ...

  • Here is a current offer of such a pistol:

    http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=1760739

    MFF Lieutenant General a. D.

  • Here is a current offer of such a pistol:

    http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=1760739

    so I can then also set mine soon

    and when I read the description:

    "Shoot through .... West, ..... feared .....": EP

  • The owners of a S&W Model 53 are then also pinched.
    Caliber .22 Remington-Jet, center fire, year of manufacture until 71

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    Frank

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  • MFF handguns expert

    The owners of a S&W Model 53 are then also pinched.
    Caliber .22 Remington-Jet, center fire, year of manufacture until 71

    greeting
    Frank

    That's right - the snore noses certainly didn't think of these exotic species - but they won't be too upset if something else falls under the ban.

    Then I can think of another way of circumventing the ban. Once again to remember:

    Part 1:
    Prohibited weapons
    Handling the following weapons and ammunition is prohibited: (...)
    1.2.5 multi-shot Handguns whose year of manufacture was after 1.
    January 1970 is for center fire ammunition in calibers below
    6.3 mm (...)

    If you have pistol or revolver too Single charge remodeled, you should be out.

    greeting

    sour fan

  • That's right - the snore noses certainly didn't think of these exotic species - but they won't be too upset if something else falls under the ban.

    They were mostly sold with interchangeable drums in 22lr and 22Mag or with reducing sleeves for these same calibres. Possibly it is right to dispose of the original drum or to fix the reducing sleeves permanently in it.

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    Frank

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  • If you have pistol or revolver too Single-shot remodeled, you should be out.
    greeting
    sour fan

    if there were also something from Sauer & Sohn in 5.45 x18,
    such an idea would certainly not come to you: p

  • The description of the auction itself is really completely wrong. Above all, the provider's place of residence happens to be identical to that of a quite capable and clever BüMas who was allowed to carry out various conversions on very specific G3 clones. Hopefully it won't be one and the same ????

    Just want to know which intelligence beast this nonsense came back to.
    Unfortunately, there is always no author attached to such idiotic edicts.
    The motivation - fear for your own satchel, which is nicely "bulletproof" wrapped - is easy to understand with our politicians.

    A real gain for internal security, so.
    The only disadvantage is that the illusion of supposed security could easily be wiped away by means of Contender in .223.


  • The only disadvantage is that the illusion of supposed security could easily be wiped away by means of Contender in .223.

    Recommend Remington XP100 in .220Russian or .221 Rem Fireball.
    Alternatively a Rampro in .20 or .22PPC.

    greeting
    Frank

    PS: there is even on neugelb

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    if there were also something from Sauer & Sohn in 5.45 x18,
    such an idea would certainly not come to you: p

    If there was something like that from S&S, I would have completely different ideas ...

    The fact is that there are two options: Your application for a BKA exemption will go through or not. If it goes through, everything is fine and a merry, singing, red-cheeked crowd of children dances in rows around the sunlit and harvest-ready apple tree.

    If the application does not go through, there is something wrong with the apple tree and the crowd of children.

    In this case you have to think about how to handle the weapon:

    1. Export abroad
    2. Hand it in to the police
    3. Convert to decoration.
    4. other

    I wouldn't like alternatives 1 - 3, so I would look for a reasonably portable alternative.

    But of course I wish you luck that the BKA issues the permits without any problems.

    greeting

    sour fan

  • Hello!

    The new gun law is really bad!

    Practically nothing has been done about it by the Gun Law Forum and the specialist journals. The visor action was much, much too late, too.

    Now the magazines are also writing that the new weapon law is not that bad after all.
    But the new law is very bad. For the first time, weapons in certain calibers that have been legal for decades are simply banned after the war. Cleverly, this affects only very little with this first ban, so that there is hardly any resistance. But as the saying goes:

    "Resist the beginnings"

    I bet 100% that in a few years at the latest a new, tightened weapon law will be brought out. Then other calibers will be banned. First of all, the "unnecessary" "dangerous" heavy American revolver calibers will have to believe in it. The next level, a few years later, is the 44 and 41 Magnum caliber, because they also penetrate lighter body armor. As a temporary solution, weak Wadcuter ammunition, in which the projectile does not protrude from the case, may be fired with modified drums.
    The full jacket ammunition for rifles also penetrates protective vests. Now neither hunters nor marksmen really need full jacket ammunition. They can shoot with partial coats or lead bullets. So forbid!

    MFF Lieutenant General a. D.


  • The full jacket ammunition for rifles also penetrates protective vests. Full jacket ammunition is now really needed by hunters and marksmen. They can shoot with partial coats or lead bullets. So forbid!

    Objection "your honor",
    As a hunter, I only use small caliber VM cartridges to shoot foxes, badgers, beech marten and rabbits that are gentle on the bellows. VM cartridges are also used for hunting corvids as part of game damage prevention.

    As a reservist and user of BW site shooting ranges got to I even use VM cartridges. Everything else, from the 22lfB with a lead bullet to bullets with even the smallest hole point or even the smallest exposed lead point, is there forbidden. !!

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    Frank

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  • At the berliner Waffenbörse, someone sold his case / reloading kit for FN fiveseven, which was now also banned before the pistol came onto the market here. the ami's have all bought up so far.

  • Hello!

    Objection denied!

    Small caliber VM ammunition poses no problem in terms of protective vests. For shooting as a reservist, you only need to allow the two NATO calibers. This ammunition can then be stored on the shooting range and given out.

    MFF Lieutenant General a. D.

  • MFF handguns expert

    Hello!

    Objection denied!

    Small caliber VM ammunition poses no problem in terms of protective vests. For shooting as a reservist, you only need to allow the two NATO calibers. This ammunition can then be stored on the shooting range and given out.

    Hello Riemann,

    are you a hunter? Do you know about hunting? If not (and one could get the impression): a little more restraint would be appropriate. Carefully worded. Even the hunter needs full jacketed bullets under certain circumstances - the old Busdorf described quite well what kind of circumstances that could be.

    greeting

    sour fan